Wednesday, March 05, 2008

IN RESPOSE TO A CONVERSATION I HAD TODAY


Here is a link to Wayne Jacobsen's blog where he addresses the question: Is The Shack heresy?


Today I had a dear client I have known for several years, express some concern, I'm assuming for me, after she had read the book. I actually really enjoyed the conversation we had today. Anyway, my trust in Father has grown so much and I really do feel perfectly secure in Him. I told her that I know the people involved with this story and I could without hesitation assure her that there is no New Age plot that any of these men would be promoting. It's not up to me though whether she accepts that defense of these brothers I have come to love and so appreciate? I know she pops in here from time to time so I decided to link to Wayne's response so she could read if it she happens to stop by here again.


11 comments:

Joel Brueseke said...

Hi Kent... I found your blog, through another blog, through another blog, etc, about a month or so ago. I really enjoy what I've read here.

I've not read The Shack, but it's been recommended by all kinds of people, so it's intrigued me. I've liked most of what I've read, as far as excerpts from the book, and I also had a few concerns about it too. I read Wayne's blog yesterday, and it really does seem that my concerns have been unfounded.

I posted a blog today, expressing my thoughts on this book, as well as another book that I've had some concerns with, and I asked people for input. I know these issues can be controversial, but I think it can be worthwhile discussing these things with sane people. :)

The conversation veered more towards the other book (Divine Nobodies by Jim Palmer), but there are at least a couple of comments about The Shack, and someone went on to post her own blog on it as well.

If you're interested, it's at blog.graceroots.org. I'd welcome your comments, if you're so led.

Kent said...

Thanks Joel. I read through your thoughts and all the comments on your blog about The Shack and Divine Nobodies. I also appreciate Aida very much. I have conversed with her on several occasions over on The God Journey forum.

It's amazing how others connect with others in the blog world.

Aida said...

Hi Kent & Joel,

I'm glad to see that two of my favorite people in the whole world have connected. Both of you guys are awesome and I think you'll enjoy getting to know one another.

Even though Kent and I have different feelings about The Shack, he's one of the people whose judgement I trust and that's why I can't just throw the book out as a worthless piece of fiction. Since Kent's life was powerfully affected after reading the book, I know Father plans to work through it in many lives so I would never discourage anyone from reading it.

It's great to connect with you again, Kent. I don't get over to TGJ forum as much now but I do check it every couple of days and may pop in from time to time. I seem to be more in involved with the blogging right now. You always have such good things to say so I'm going to subscribe to your blog so I can keep up.

Aida

Kent said...

Aida, it so good to hear from you. I'm glad you have a blog now so we can touch base a little more often. You are going to get to hang out this weekend with a few other people I would love to get to meet someday. Tina, Kimberly and Cynthia. I think all three of them are planning on being there? You all will enjoy the time with Wayne. While you all are doing that Paul is coming here to stay with my family for three days. So on Monday and Tuesday several of our close friends will be in and out of our home. I am looking forward to the time together.

And thank you for your kind and generous words.

Todd said...

Hi Kent,

Glad you're linking to Wayne's excerpt.....I think he did a great job speaking for the team that worked on the project.

One of the things that gets me is this: I read the book, I laughed, I cried, I shook my head...and kept telling my wife...man, this book is wild...it's stretching my head a bit. And because it stretched and challenged some of my preconceived notions and theology what did I do? I wrote Paul.

Now, I'm not sure that he's as able to write back and forth to readers, but at that time, I told how I was being stretched, etc. and I found him to be very engaging and kind....accessible....I wonder what it would be like if folks would just calm down and e-mail or write the author and ask questions, contest issues or whatever...what that'd be like instead of just slamming the book or labeling it "heresy."

that's an awfully strong word....even considering some of the variations in what many would deem "orthodox" Christian thought over 2000 years of church history....I'm not saying that folks should just gobble up everything or soak everything up like a sponge....but ask questions or raise concerns in a spirit of amiability instead of coming across like uptight "doctrinaire" police (been there/done that :)

talk soon,

T

Todd said...

I'd say the same for "Divine Nobodies" which I also found to be a great book......I can't speak for Jim's other book "Wide Open Space" or even agree with some of the posts that folks throw up on his blog, but that's neither here nor there...D.N. was also a candid and thought provoking book :)

should I be posting this on my blog? sorry for rambling....the Mcdonalds coffee is kicking in :)

T

Kent said...

Todd there is no need to appologize. That's helpful stuff. I think one of the most powerful chapters in the book is the chapter Here Comes Da Judge and it speaks to the very thing you have brought up here. We so often are stuck in a trap of making judgements about everything and everyone and most often we don't know the whole story and usually we don't want to take the time to get to know the person in question. We just jump to conclusions.

The chapter I mentioned is a tough difficult chapter if we slow down enough to take a critical look at ourselves to see how we do this very thing. I stood exposed and undone when I read it the first time...and by the second time, my whole life up to that point was flashing before my eyes. I had lived making judgements of circumstances and people I didn't even know. Once I began to step away from this and began to look differently at people I began to see how wrong I had been about so many things and so many people and the things that cause them to do the things they do. One of the things that began to change was how I saw Jesus and how he treated people he came upon. Love and compassion are active, they are verbs. If they remain concepts to talk about and only applied to certain types of people, they cease to be what they are.

Todd said...

K,

Thanks for your response....I'm looking forward to your most recent post...it looks like something that may tie into what I may be posting about... "manipulation"......I just recently read some "pastoral language" toward a friend of mine who was leaving a congregation due to some differences......and I felt strange inside...I began to think about some of the language that has been used toward me, that I've used toward others, and that folks just use without thinking and the key word that came to mind is "manipulation" and how insidious it can be....interesting.

T

Kent said...

Todd, as our eyes begin to open to control through all kinds of manipulation we will begin to see it all around. Control in all it's forms robs us of the freedom God gives each of us to make our own choices. And it is in that freedom to choose that the possiblity of truely being set free happens and it is the Spirit that accomplishes that in us. Law, rules and following principles can't ever accomplish that.

Aida said...

Hi Kent,

I'm really looking forward to the week-end. Tina is one of the hostesses. She's helping Melissa. We'll be meeting at Melissa's house and that's where Wayne's staying. As far as I know Cynthia will be there also. I don't think I've ever communicated with Kimberly but it'll be nice to meet everyone.

Your plans sound great too. I wish I could be in both places. I'd love to meet Paul. He's got a great story and I've enjoyed hearing him share about what Father has done and is doing in his life so I know it'll be good..

Aida

Kent said...

Jennifer, I have had to challenge myself to think differently then this that you said:

"It seems that when a group of people get together to accomplish something, the thing they are accomplishing becomes more important than the people accomplishing it and power structures have to be in place."

I came to realize that if I remained in a place of thinking along these lines I couldn't even imagine any other possibility. I have said before that I don't see societies, in all their forms, moving past being stuck in this cycle that has a way of warping all relationships. But I do believe we can as individuals move beyond it as we are being transformed by the grace of God. And as we as individuals begin to live from that place of grace we will see the absoulte inability of law to break this cycle humanity is stuck in.